In this episode of Quest 4 Truth, Doug Hamp and Rob Skiba tackle Revelation 1 together. How should we read Revelation? Who are we in Christ? Who are the 7 Churches? Who are the ones in Revelation 1:7 who pierced Christ, and will see Him when He comes on the clouds? What's up with Longinus, Cartaphilus, Ahasuerus and the Spear of Destiny? Are there immortals among us or is the text simply talking about the Jews and/or Romans? And what about the Alpha and Omega (Aleph and Tav in Hebrew)? Is Revelation 1:8 giving us a clue to understanding the Hebrew of Zechariah 12:10, or is the Aleph-Tav not really a representation of Christ at all? Find out as we continue on a quest for truth.
Regarding the Aleph Tav, consider also:
For more additional commentary regarding this episode, please check out the Q4T Special Edition episode hosted by NowYouSeeTV:
For more on Doug's take on the firmament, see:
Doug contends that the firmament is just an "expanse." Rob debates that with the following counter-points:
Was the "firmament" just an "expanse" as Doug and others suggest? Or was it something FIRM and beaten out like metal as Job 37:18 clearly states and the Greek from the Hebrew of Genesis 1:6 declares?
Doug also asks if the firmament could be massively huge, encompassing the whole "universe" as modern science depicts our cosmos. In the above commentary episode, Rob said that he supposed anything could be possible, however, upon further thought he now adds:
The language used in the Creation accounts given to us in Scripture does not seem to lend itself to the massively huge view of an "expanse" as Doug suggests in his recent video concerning the firmament. In the beginning, we read...
In the above, we see that waters above are separated from waters below. The above waters are not named, however the below waters are called seas - and in context, specifically the seas of Earth. This does not lend itself to some interpretation of water throughout the universe on the inside of some cosmic bubble extending for billions of light years in every direction as a massively huge "expanse" surround the vastness of space. Furthermore, we see that the dry land "appears" out of this water that has been gathered together into one place. How did the dry land appear? Solomon and Isaiah hold the answer:
Note that Isaiah asks the question of have you not heard and understood from the beginning (i.e. Genesis) that this is how the world was created - as a circle (not a spinning, heliocentric ball). The ESV clears up Proverbs for us:
That's how the dry land appeared in the beginning (Genesis) - as a circle. By the way, how do you "inscribe" a ball into something? You can't. And since all of this is very localized "under the dome," within the separated waters that were called Earth's seas, I see no reason to suggest that the "expanse" Doug describes spans billions of light years across the universe. Rather, the language used in the Creation account places it quite localized, right above us. Further complicating the matter (for him) is the fact that the sun, moon and stars were placed "in the firmament," just as the birds were! The birds are not flying in "outer space." But just like the sun, moon and stars, they are located within the strong, firm dome that keeps the water above from the water (seas) of Earth below.
Today's monkey-man science calls our neighborhood of the Milky Way a "solar system." Funny... the Bible starts off with describing an EARTH system, within which the sun doesn't even show up until day 4 of Creation. Hmmm.... wonder why that might be?
NOTE: A "tabernacle" is an ENCLOSURE.
There again, the sun is likened unto a male person IN A CHAMBER that RUNS (i.e. MOVES) in a race. Running tracks tend to be circular... as indicated here:
Circuit = Hebrew: "tequphah" - a coming round, circuit
Circuit = English: noun
1. an act or instance of going or moving around.
2. a CIRCULAR JOURNEY or one beginning and ending at the same place; a round.
3. a roundabout journey or course.
Combining David's understanding with that of Moses, we see that the sun is INSIDE AN ENCLOSURE (chamber/tabernacle) and IT moves about in a circuit (NOT the Earth).
Yeah... I see total support for a heliocentric, spinning Earth model here. LOL! Sorry. Mock if you must but Job, Moses, David, Solomon and Isaiah were all "Textured Planers" under the dome. Whether we currently believe the Earth is flat and under a dome or not is another issue. But to suggest the Biblical writers didn't have this view is to do gross manipulation and some seriously major torturing of the text.
- Rob Skiba
In rebuttal, see also Doug's latest anti-Flat Earth video:
For more on Rob's take on these topics, see:
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